Name: not with my daughter you don't
Comments: Mormonism is a dangerous religion. People who have control issues as well as the low level of ethical morals cling to it.
Mormon women took the children of other families they murdered, used the items of women killed at the hands of their god 'chosen' husbands, feeling it was all their right to use and to take. They are not much different than some of the women in the Mormon Church today, who will attempt to adorn themselves and their children on the assults of children, not their own but covered up at the hands of their 'godly' chosen second husbands, attempting to enrich their selves and family on the spoils from another woman, the first wife.

Not with my daughter you don't. Not with my daughter you don't. You will be exposed just as MMM has been. Mormon marriges made on september 11, a day to honor the horror and crimes of mormons and the women who are willing to enrich themselves on the abuses of another, seems like the correct day for a evil people mate.

Evil; Mormons are Evil
September 11th is Evil
just like the people to celebrate it
evil evil evil mormons are corrupt and evil
Tuesday, July 11th 2006 - 06:25:47 AM
Name: Joseph
Comments: This is a terrorist action.
Mormon has a very criminal past. If you want to predict someone's future, you should look back his past history.
So you can predict.
This is very dangerouse brainwahsing organization which few rich family control play millions people brain and faith.

Everyone is priest in the church but many of them act illegally in the churhc in name of God. For example, Meadowe Mountain Massacre. The church hate everyone Catholic and other Christian minority.

They try corrupt authority of foreign countries. They also try corrupt and take advantage over poverty in the third world.

September Eleven is Evil
LDS is EVIL EVIL EVIL
Sunday, July 2nd 2006 - 08:23:45 PM
Name: do you think I would give my name! not this time!!
Comments: The poster below, sounds like he would do well as a journalist who spins a story for his buddys. Ya, I know everyone is in someone's pockets. Farms a BYU site likes to discount the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

As the poster below mentioned, Mountain Meadows did happen, is one of several murders done by the hands of Mormons. Yes, Brigham Young was involved in the murders at Moutain Meadows; even today one can see the pride of the Mormon community as far as Lee, the city made a grand statue and memorial for Lee in there town center. Pretty strange to honor a murder.

There have been other murders done.
http://www.wham.org/UptonRob.htm
The Robbing of the US Army: by Larry T. Upton

tells of the murder of Black Bufflo soliders. Where Mark E. Cunningham yells " Get out, you black sons of bitches!" while holding his winchester rifle firing at the black US solider taking a payroll to the US soliders.

Although it is hard to see Cunnigham or Webb as 'kind" people who helped employ their fellow Mormons ( could this be part of the United Order practiced by Mormons?)

http://www.discoverseaz.com/History/BufSold.html

is a history of the Black Bufflo Soliders how they formed and mentions the Wham Robbery, but not as with much detail as to the Mormons.

Some group of people. I can see why they need a spin!


Friday, April 28th 2006 - 04:18:53 PM
Name: Like I'm gonna tell u?
Comments: Isnt it great that people like Mr. Kirkman make such wonderful sites? I mean, who wouldnt want to read this? I read only lies. I mean who doesnt? Its great that people can describe in such detail what happened 149 years ago. And the fact that this little blip contradict sites that have much more acurate information about this event. Also, the use of such completely biased language. Yes, I have also been taught how to make good things sound bad and vis-vera by simply choosing different words. Amazing isnt it? Such things as this are created by those who dislike the LDS church for the things that they teach.

In no way am I saying that it didnt happen, it did. Much to the shame of many. However, did you know that Brigham Young sent orders commanding the militia to leave the wagon train of travelers alone? The only problem was that they arrived too late. The man who carried out his so called "instructions", John D Lee, was excommunicated. "...but despite his ill-feelings toward the Mormon leader, he maintained Young's innocence with respect to the massacre to his own grave."
Monday, April 24th 2006 - 07:10:51 PM
Name: debbie
Comments: as beker mention, research brings up interesting information. Men shot the people at Mountain Meadows, but women also supported the men. I often wonder about the women who scream 'violation', when they would also align in battering a woman, and align with the men. Taking another womens, clothings, goods to adorn themselves.

gives one much to think about.



Wednesday, March 29th 2006 - 07:57:17 PM
Name: Josette Nebeker
E-mail address: jhnebeker333@hotmail.com
Comments: I am very excited that there is information out there on this horrible event. My great great grandfather was one of the survivors, the youngest baby who was giving to a women in Utah to raise. She told him the truth and the fact that he had been given to her wrapped in a blanket with Burns sewn into it. I am missing a whole side of my heritage because of this event. I am very interested in this event because I have only heard limited amounts.
Monday, March 27th 2006 - 01:12:06 AM
Name: BEH
E-mail address: bhgdrn@gmail.com
Comments: Thank you for this site. With such a sordid history, I really can't see how inteligent people could align themselves with LDS. But then as the Christian Church we have our wonderful CRUSADES. Nobody's perfect, but one: JESUS CHRIST
Monday, February 6th 2006 - 06:34:43 AM
Name: BEH
E-mail address: bhgdrn@gmail.com
Comments: Thank you for this site. With such a sordid history, I really can't see how inteligent people could align themselves with LDS. But then as the Christian Church we have our wonderful CRUSADES. Nobody's perfect, but one: JESUS CHRIST
Monday, February 6th 2006 - 06:34:23 AM
Name: Mary Jane Blackshear
E-mail address: blackshears@saber.net
Comments: My 2nd greatgrandfather is John Calvin Miller the eldest surviving child of the massacre. In our understanding my ancestor is Cherokee Indian. Does anyone else have information about their ancester who survived? I would like to share info in exchange for info.
Saturday, January 28th 2006 - 01:22:20 PM
Name: Stephanie Nethers
E-mail address: stephyrcg@charterinternet.com
Comments: Wonderful information!! Thank you Mr. Kirkman!
Thursday, January 26th 2006 - 02:43:07 PM
Name: MIke Morrison
E-mail address: morrison2005@msn.com
Comments: My wifes great grandmother was a Fancher and she grew up in Kingman AZ. Best I can tell Capt. Alexander fancher was her gg uncle she told me the story of the massacre before I was aware of its signifagance in pioneer history. It truly is a sad part of our history. I met several of the Fancher children, Sam at at his 85th birthday, Aunt Brenice and of course my wifes great grandma Laura Annie Fancher. She passed away July !9th 1988 at Madera Ca. After reading some from your sight it clears up some question I always had. I'm interested in finding more about the Fancher family of Kingman AZ. Grandma spoke of being raised on a large ranch, would like info about location. If correct this part of the family is descended from John Fancher bother to Alexander, father Issac Fancher. Thank you.
Saturday, January 21st 2006 - 07:01:08 PM
Name: Kent Ash-Lemon
Comments: It is without conscience one would say that the Mormon Church was the victim in this matter. There is no excuse for the killing of women, men and children. Heck! in my own area there were many children harmed in church from sexual assaults, which were swept under the rug, and the harassment the people who tried to stop it went through from church members was awful! If man's "search for happiness" or "meaning", means being able to shoot, kill, and harm and 'feel" god's power in doing so, then the teaching is not from teachings, since leaving the mormon church, I am now being taught.

After all, it was a Christian cross which was torn down by Brigham Young, as he gave the sign of the square.

all "Francis" golly, gosh, gee and all... how can one even think the killing of children the stealing of their goods is man search from happiness. Seems some one needs a shrink... because it smell like rotten lemons.


Thursday, December 15th 2005 - 09:02:30 PM
Name: Laramie Woods
E-mail address: lar87@myldsmail.net
Comments: Wow, this is a pretty interesting site.......Besides the fact that half of it isn't true. I have been a mormon my whole life and in a matter of fact, I live about 10 minutes from the monument itself. I was there when President Gordon B. Hinkley dedicated it. It was a massacre.....a horrible scene, but it was the past. The things that happend then were the way things happend then. If anybody wanted to stop the church of jesus christ from moving forward, it was the devil himself. Many of the early pioneers suffered a lot and saw a lot of ugly scenes because it was necessary that the people be chastened in that time. Many ugly things happened, but it all happened for a purpose. This church isn't just any other church upon the face of the earth. It is the church of Jusus Christ. The only true church. The same church that jusus christ himself formed. It is in perfect harmony in doctrine, organization, and faith. It is a church of Work, a church of covents, and the only true church that performs the saving ordaniances in order for our families to be forever. Through Joseph Smith, the church has been put in the earth. The powers of hell can do nothing to keep the work from moving on, because christ is at the head of this church and he directs it. If any of you think that this page has reason to make the mormons look bad, so be it. A lot of your questions can be answered in the book of doctrine and covenants (revelations givin to Joseph Smith the prophet from god)Many of all you become confused because of the cunningness of man, if it be so, ask god. (James 1:5-6) He knows all things and probably has the answer of your questions. Either it is true or it is not. Either Joseph Smith was called of god or not. As missionaries of the church, we invite all to ask god in the name of jesus christ if they are or not. May god be with you all in your search for happiness.
Friday, December 9th 2005 - 12:22:18 PM
Name: Ann Page
Comments: The angry response from people who post messages like Kakeboy, is an example of the type of intolerance which many who deny the brutal acts done by people in the MMM. It is sad that they do not understand Christiany, and to spill out such hate messages as wanting to eat children are acts of compromised individuals.

may the children be protected from such hate.
Friday, November 25th 2005 - 12:16:08 AM
Name: deborah a. skousen
Comments: I enjoyed viewing your site; the site is not anti-mormon. The site is reflecting a violent history within the LDS Church, and a violent response to others who do not agree with them, which is still in some of it's membership today.

It is necessary for people to face the past, for improvements to be made, placing the responsibility on others to assist in covering up or dismissing wrongful acts is a response of abusers. Mormonism carries a dark side; one which needs to come to light.
Monday, October 24th 2005 - 04:49:18 AM
Name: Lora C.
E-mail address: catfitz4@netzero.com
Comments: Terrifying that this happened--and could still happen! I work in a gov't ofc in Oregon. Many of our mgrs are Mormon, and they hire other Mormons! Several medical groups in the area are now staffed entirely by Mormons who only hire Mormons. Is this discrimination or what?! If this trend continues, perhaps only Mormons will be able to get medical service! How can it be stopped?
Friday, October 7th 2005 - 06:39:14 PM
Name: Scott Fancher
E-mail address: sfancher@eritter.net
Comments: Great site - keep up the good work. I want to encourage everyone who is interested in the massacre saga to visit the new monument at the Carrollton cemetery. It is a scaled replica of Carleton's original which was destroyed by locals in 1861 as Brigham Young watched. It is something you should make sure and visit if ever in NW Arkansas - very moving.
Thursday, September 22nd 2005 - 12:21:40 PM
Name: Dan Dotson
E-mail address: dadotson@aol.com
Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadows Massacre: http://www.americanauctioneers.com
Friday, September 16th 2005 - 10:45:07 PM
Name: Sherrin Sundstrom
E-mail address: sundstromcis@yahoo.com
Comments: I watched the film, "Burying the Past: The Legacy of Mountain Meadows Massacre" by Brian Patrick, last night.
What a tragedy, and even as tragic is how the Mormon Church will not admit responsibility for what they participated in! Let me know how I can support the efforts of the descendants of the massacre victims.
In Support,
Sherrin Sundstrom
sundstromcis@yahoo.com
Tuesday, September 13th 2005 - 11:50:19 AM
Name: Sharon Hiett
E-mail address: KipnSharonHiett@aol.com
Comments: It is very interesting that some individual's are commenting on how anti-mormon the site is, and that 'we' should 'leave it alone' and 'move on.'
I have absolutely no link to this tragedy, but totally see how anyone who is related to one of the victims, could just 'let it go' when there has been such a coverup by the Mormon Church. And, as someone else on the message board has commented on, all in the name of Jesus, who this church supposedly represents in the 'latter days!'
The site is very interesting, and very informative. Not like most LDS histories who blame something or some one else for what happened.
We should use this example of how a church leader (ANY church leader) can influence for good AND for evil, his/her followers.
Something to definately think about.
Thanks for your site
Wednesday, June 15th 2005 - 02:42:54 PM
Name: Earl Rausch
E-mail address: midwestartbuyer@yahoo.com
Comments: What a big anti Mormon site this is and what is intresting is it is being promoted by a huge tragedy.Shame on you
ER
Wednesday, June 8th 2005 - 10:51:39 PM
Name: KT
Comments: Its time to move and and let these people rest in peace
Sunday, May 29th 2005 - 02:28:02 AM
Name: KT
Comments: Its time to move and and let these people rest in peace
Sunday, May 29th 2005 - 02:27:38 AM
Name: KT
Comments: Its time to let it go.
Sunday, May 29th 2005 - 02:26:05 AM
Name: Bill Fancher
E-mail address: bill fancher7@aol.com
Comments: Thank you for what you are doing. It really means a lot to me.
Tuesday, April 12th 2005 - 09:36:27 PM
Name: bill fancher
E-mail address: bill fancher7
Comments: This is a personal to me. I hope more people realize the injustice that was committed.
Tuesday, April 12th 2005 - 09:09:10 PM
Name: Jim Sollers
E-mail address: j_sollers@hotmail.com
Comments: This is a very sad story. To be killed by a group that uses the name of Jesus. One dy they will have to all stand before god and they will be judged.
Tuesday, March 29th 2005 - 09:05:56 AM
Name: Lynn-Marie Fancher
E-mail address: dixon@europa.com
Comments: In describing the imigrant composition of the ill-fated wagon trains from NW Arkansas, I think it is important to remember that there was not just one wagon train of 140 imigrants who were massacred at Mountain Meadows. In addition to the Fancher Train which is the most remembered, there were other wagon trains that joined up along the way, broke off, and joined again. Those other wagon trains included the Poteet Train, the Crooked Creek Train, the Campbell Train, the Parker Train, and the Baker Train. The Baker Train was the last to arrive in Utah of those who chose to join up and travel south through Utah. Each spring, thousands of wagon trains left for California and somehow, since 1990, the story of the Arkansas imigrants and the Mountain Meadows Massacre has morphed into one large train that left from Caravan Springs Arkansas, now referred to as the Fancher-Baker Train. Such a Train never existed. The Fancher Train left from Benton County Arkansas. The Poteet/Jones/Tackett etc Train left from Washington County. They all left at different times and were under the organization of each individual wagon train master. One of the Baker Trains trying to catch up with the Fancher Train (not related to the other Baker Train) actually had to turn back. That all these people came together at the Meadows, and that some turned a different direction at the last minute is an incredible twist of fate for those who survived. It might make the story a little tidier to have one wagon train leave from one place, but it is not historically supportable. Never the less, it is a very sad story. Lynn-Marie Fancher
Wednesday, March 16th 2005 - 12:42:25 PM
Name: Donald
E-mail address: Baker
Comments: I am a direct descendant of John Twitty Baker. John Twitty was the organizer of the wagon train for Arkansas. John Twitty was my GGGrandfather.
Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadows Massacre: http://drbaker312@aol.com
   
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